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Sony Ericsson K850i Cyber-shot
The K850i Cyber-shot is one of the best camera-phones available in the market right now, thanks to its dedicated controls, good performance and natural-looking images.
| The good | Dedicated camera controls; microSD and Memory Stick Micro compatibility; Xenon flash and LED light; Bluetooth stereo; HSDPA connectivity. |
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| The bad | Glossy surface attracts fingerprints; tiny buttons may not appeal to some. |
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Design
The design concept of the K850i is modeled closely after today's digital cameras. Taking a page out of the Sony Cyber-shot book, the K850i sports a slider switch that toggles between the shooting modes (still and movie) and playback function. Previously, we had to access the onscreen menu to change from stills to motion images. With this new hardware switch, we find toggling between shooting modes a lot easier.One of the most notable changes is the automatic lens cover. The company has dropped the entire mechanical lens cover on the earlier K810i and K800i, replacing it with an automatic one on the K850i. While the move may have been well-intended, there's a catch to it. A layer of clear plastic now protects the cover and it attracts fingerprints with ease, which adds another formerly unnecessary step before taking a shot--and that's to clean the surface.
Previously on the K810i and K800i, sliding down the lens cover automatically activated the camera, and that was, in fact, more convenient. With the K850i, we find it hard to reach for the dedicated on/off button that is flush with the surface. That's on top of its diminutive size, making it more challenging to activate the camera in the dark.
One of the more interesting introductions to the K850i is the battery compartment. Unlike most mobile phones where changing the power cell involves removing a cover, this Cyber-shot sports a slide-out door that allows access to the battery, SIM card and expansion card slot (Memory Stick Micro M2 and microSD). This feature may be common on standalone digital cameras, but it's definitely one of the firsts we're seeing on a camera-phone.
Like the K810i, Sony Ericsson has not only given the K850i a lustrous front section, it has also kept the numeric keypad and Call/End buttons equally tiny. These are reminiscent of those little square pimples on the T650i. Surprisingly, the buttons aren't as much trouble as the glossy fascia, both front and back, on the K850i. The feeling is a little different from thumbing on larger keys, but ample spacing between each button helped.
The one and probably most exasperating thing about the K850i is the glossy surface which picks up fingerprint smudges. After a few minutes of handling, the handset hasgathered enough prints to warrant a thorough wash. A few swipes usually does the trick for the rear face. It's the cleaning between the numeric keys that gets gradually frustrating. We couldn't get it to look like it was just out of the box.
In our previous assessments, we wrote about the top row of touch-sensitive softkeys. These are represented by three white dots just below the phone's 2.2-inch LCD. Now, by doing away with the traditional hard buttons, Sony Ericsson has managed to shave off more space for a larger screen. Together with the usual directional pad which is now a rectangular ring wrapping around the 2 and 5 buttons, we think it's a clever use of limited space on the handset.
Like most skeptics of touch-based surfaces, we aren't convinced the touch-sensitive softkeys on the K850i will deliver the response and tactile feel associated with hardware buttons. We were wrong. Even though there's no haptic feedback like on the Motorola Razr2 handsets, these keys on the K850i are equally efficient in use. Likewise for the directional pad. The raised tabs didn't make things difficult for us. The only quibble we have is that the softkeys depress slightly if we press on it harder because the screen and the keypad are separate components. How this will affect the durability of the handset in real-life use is a question we can't answer for now, given our limited time with the review set.
Features
The phone's menu is standard Sony Ericsson's fare with a 3 x 4 icon grid, tabbed browsing interface for Settings and vertical scrolling for other options. The touch-sensitive softkeys are mapped to the applications and they show up as different configurations when selected. There's no option to customize the softkeys in standby mode. The left key opens the media browser, whereas the middle and right ones bring you to the phone's menu and contacts folder, respectively.Sony Ericsson is shipping its recent handsets with the new media-browsing interface that looks vaguely like the Sony PlayStation Portable. The browser doesn't bring anything new to the plate and it's just a different way of managing multimedia files on the phone. The Photo, Music, Video and Settings icons are lined in a column. To select any of the options, we had to press right using the navigation pad which brought us to the next level of options.
The K850i comes equipped with a built-in accelerometer. Again, this is nothing new since the earlier W580i already sported such a feature as a pedometer. However, the sensor on the K850i is used solely to determine the orientation of the display. When we turn the handset sideways, the screen automatically changes into landscape mode. The sensor is also used in one of the installed games: Marble Madness 3D. The mission is to navigate the marble to the end of the maze by tilting the phone to control the orb. Although there's always the traditional keypad to fall back on, the fun is in playing the game using the motion sensor controls.
On the digital imaging front, the K850i has a comprehensive set of features and is comparable with some midrange digital cameras. The user can choose different image sizes, quality settings and shooting modes. There is 16x digital zoom, though we hardly used that due to pixelation in the pictures. The K850i also comes with autofocus, a built-in Xenon flash, a second LED light (when was the last time you saw two types of flash on one device?), selectable ISO, white balance, metering modes and a variety of scene modes to help the user along. When holding the K850i sideways in camera mode, the white keypad lighting goes off as the top row of keys light up with mini blue icons which double as camera shortcuts.
Other notable goodies on this Cyber-shot include a front-facing camera for 3G video calls, FM radio with RDS, organizer functions, Track ID, Video/Photo/Music DJ, voice recorder, RSS feed reader, Web browser, Bluetooth stereo with A2DP and triband HSDPA connectivity.
Performance
Sony Ericsson rated the K850i for 9 hours of talktime and 16 days on standby. With average use of taking pictures, listening to music, making a few voice calls and sending text message, the 930mAh Lithium-Polymer cell kept the phone running for about two days. Audio call quality was decent and the loudspeaker was clear enough aided by two tiny ridges running along both sides of the device that propped it up off the table.The camera had a shutter lag of a mere 0.25 seconds, which is very decent for a camera-phone and one of the better ones we've reviewed so far. Natural colors were retained in our pictures, though sometimes we wished the hues were a little more saturated. But that's nothing simple post-processing can't fix. Instead of us going on and on, we'll just leave you with some of the pictures so you can judge them for yourself.
Conclusion
So should you go out and buy the K850i now? Like we mentioned earlier, the N95 has the early market advantage of getting into the consumer hands. Prices would have been different now compared with the time it was just launched. In fact, it's been so long that the K850i now has two N95s to contend with: The earlier N95 and the N95 (8GB) which was released at the same time as the K850i.In terms of overall features, the N95 trumps the K850i on the merit of its built-in GPS chip alone. But from a camera-phone perspective, the K850i is perhaps the best we've handled so far. That said, for most people we reckon it'd still be a very tough decision between the N95 and the K850i. Both devices have their merit and each does some things better than the other. So before laying down
Latest comments
Pros: Awesome camera, good media player, Buttons are easy to feel your way around
Cons: Touch buttons are annoying, phone LAGS when phone memory is near full
Summary: Affordable, Great Quality Camera, With Some Firmware Issues
This is a phone-camera, not a camera phone. The camera has lots of awesome extras and takes good quality pictures and pretty good video as well. The media player is decent, though it can lag sometimes/often. Also, after a few months the phone starts to lag somewhat when navigating the menu and doing basic tasks (i.e. text messaging, browsing files etc.) and this is severely worsened when the phone memory is close to full. I leave my phone memory with 25 megs or so unused, and it seems to not lag too badly. Additionally, the three touch buttons are annoying like nothing else, making you go deep into the menu when you hold the phone up to your face during a conversation, and you cannot use the call end button when in the menu during a phone conversation, so you have to exit the menu before you can hang up. Very inconvenient. There are numerous other quirks that this phone has (e.g. the voice memo and voice command features produce a weird clicking at the beginning of the memo/command). All in all, I'd say the phone is good if you have a need of a phone-camera right away. If you can wait however, I'd save up a bit more money and go with a later model phone which has had a chance for the OS to be corrected, like the C905. Unfortunately, the K850i has not had a software update for a few years, so it'll probably never get any better.
Pros: the camera
Cons: finger print magnet, firmware issue (phone restarts, cannot read m2 at times, etc)
Summary: Good camera phone at an affordable price!
By the way, what is the latest firmware / software version for this?
Pros: Great Camera (especially for taking photos of texts), looks great, crisp clear screen
Cons: Buttons are a little too tiny for comfort, malfunctions after a few months
Summary: Phone's lifespan is short
I would give the phone a higher score if it had not spoilt. I had it repaired once and it has spoilt again, with a different problem. It has also given my two other friends who own the phone problems as well. I'd say buy this phone if you're ready to bear the consequences of the phone dying on you a couple months later.
Pros: 5mp ,xenon flash ,led light ,automatic cover lens
Cons: hardpress ,firmware got problem ,
Summary: ok ok only
my K850i firmware got problem ,snap picture with xenon flash on will make whole thing become dark facing BROD quite alot of time everything ok ,but firmware really not as stable as nokia ,almost all se phone got firmware problem
Pros: just commenting
Cons: no fon yet
Summary: to the user reviewers
please....i am interested in knowing the pros and cons of this cell phone, the functioning one, "per se", i mean the product itself not the SERVICE CENTER or whatever...if your going to write comment on the service center plis write it in the "discussion box"...your reviews are of no help to those interested in buying the phone...tsk, tsk...
Pros: very nice
Cons: too glossy!!!!!
Summary: amazing!!!!
Its my first time using sony ericson, and my k850i is the best phone for me,,. not because its s camera phone but also excellent in other terms.
Pros: nil
Cons: uncountable
Summary: Sony Ericsson K850i worst phone
I bought Sony Ericsson K850i this Jul'08. Only using for a month, I sent it to repair center at Orchard branch on Aug'08. I used to use Nokia for many years, just switched to Sony Ericsson this year. After repair, all my data are lost. I am so disappointed with Sony Ericsson. Recently, I sent this phone to repair again Dec'08. It is the same problem, it hangs and that's it! The repair center told me all my data were gone. I am so disappointed with Sony Ericsson. I will not use this brand anymore! This is the worst phone I ever use.
Pros: Excellent pictures, splendid music (loud and clear), comfortable keypads (hardly press any wrong keys), beautiful design, magnificent display
Cons: finger prints need to be clean from time to time
Summary: The best camera phone
I don't know about you guys complaining about the phone but I think it is a magnificent product. On phone, indeed the camera shots lost to the N-series but once you put it into the computer and print it out, you will find the N-series photos are quite dull in colour while the K850i's photos are very rich. The xenon flash without a doubt has helped to boost the photos but Sony should put in the light detector like the N82 which has 'true' xenon flash. The N82 releases two burst of xenon flash during a shot making the picture crystal clear and with smart contrast, the picture is awesome. But the K850i is not lame either, in terms of outdoor pictures, the K850i is absolutely the best choice and under bright sunshine, the pictures are incomparable. It is also light weight and the design is sexy. In terms of music, the K850i triumphs over the N82. After a lot of survey, the users commented that the K850i's music is loud and clear but they said the N82 is loud but broken. The durability of the K850i is inhuman. My friend's N82 fell once and the system immediately became very lag and the screen even displays dead pixels. My K850i fell 7 times and was even submerged completely in water once. I thought my phone was as good as gone but who knew, it survived and the function became better by default. The keys are small and comfortable and you can barely make any errors unlike the N82 which are packed and uncomfortable and the tendency to press the wrong key is very high. I don't know about the Westerns but the Asians was able to hold the phone without covering the xenon flash, maybe it is a habit. Until now, sony's display still triumph over nokia's display. The reason for lag and bugs is because the system works with the RIFA version which is equivalent to a S40 in terms of speed and performance. The RICA does not face this type of problem but significantly, the graphics are not as nice. Luckily, the RIGA version is coming out to fix this problem as well as an upgrade to a S50 performance with enhancement in the camera technology. Hopefully they will do something about the small xenon flash and upgrade it to a 'true' xenon flash. At 262k colour only, the screen is so rich in colour but the N-series colour are average only. The loss out of the K850i compared to the N-series is the lack of Wi-Fi and GPS plus the ability to support a lot of softwares. In short, if you are the one who want entertainment, go for sony but if you are a hardcore worker and want performance, go for Nokia. I hope this review didn't offend anyone.
Pros: .
Cons: .
Summary: K8501
THE PHONE SUCKS. SONY ERICSSON SERVICE IN SG AT SIMEI SUCK TOO.. MY PHONE HANG AND SHUTDOWN WHEN EVER I CALL OUT.. AND THEY JUST UPGRADE MY SOFTWARE ONLY. I GOT THE SAME FAULT AGAIN THE NEXT TIME I ON THE PHONE AND THAT IS TWO WEEKS LATER.. I SENT IT BACK AND THEY LET ME WAIT JUST LIKE THE 1ST TIME A 8 DAY PERIOD AND JUST A STUPID SOFTWARE UPGRADE.. SUPER POOR SERVICE AND THE TECHNICIAN SUCK TOO. DID NOT EVEN BOTHER TO CHECK THE PHONE.
Pros: features
Cons: Very poor battery
Summary: Battery performance sucks
I bought this phone for the battery performance and features. While the features are good, it no way stands near the claimed batery performcen of 9 hrs talk time and 16 days standby. Repeated service to customer service is zero result. Really battery sucks.
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