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Jul 14, 2006 11:45
How not to study Chinese online
Posted by willmoss
I have to be honest. Most Chinese Web sites break my head completely. Clicking into your average Chinese portal or social networking site is like being dropped into the Web equivalent of a raging, psychedelic pachinko parlor. The page scrolls on forever, there are countless hundreds of links, boxes, windows and options, and every other thing blinks, waves or breaks loose and starts gliding across the page. If you read Chinese laboriously and slowly, like me, this is extra painful.
I spent many years designing and managing the development of Web sites and I was raised on a philosophy of simplicity and relative minimalism. In China this brands me as a dangerous heretic who should probably be locked up for his own safety. Nevertheless (showing my age), I remain firm in my conviction that the best Web sites are clean, easy to navigate, and don't overwhelm you with options or distractions. This is particularly true of sites that purport to be instructional or educational. That's one of many reasons I was disappointed with a new site dedicated to teaching Chinese that I explored this week.
The site is Linese.com. Its launch was announced a few days ago and picked up and run in various news articles, including on CNET. Linese.com doesn't offend my eyes in the way that many Chinese portals do. It's not a complete overload of links and options and micro text. But it suffers from a variation on that problem: As a fresh arrival who presumably doesn't speak any Chinese, it's hard to figure out where you should go and what you should click on. There are a lot of options for lessons and information but nothing to suggest how someone interested in learning the Chinese language or simply exploring it should best approach or use the site. In the biz, we used to refer to this as poor information design.
I had a few other complaints as well. After the big announcement the site was largely broken for the first few times I tried to use it. The site was partially functional in IE but broke Firefox completely. I had to allow it to install a big whack of Active X components on my IE to get some of the lessons to work properly. Others used chunky Windows Media files that were slow to download. A lot of the content was completely inaccessible. As a PR guy, one of my basic lessons is: If it's not ready for prime time, don't announce it.
A lot of those early teething problems have been fixed and the site is working much better today, on both browsers. But that has given me the opportunity to discover a few other problems. Some of the media files still don't seem to work correctly. It's hard to know which lessons might be appropriate. Things that look like they should be links don't seem to lead anywhere. The materials seem to be a mix of very rudimentary stuff--which would be useful for beginners--and lessons that try to teach rudimentary stuff but also mysteriously assume you know much more complex phrases that are placed around the vocabulary they are teaching you. For a language site, there is also a pretty good amount of shameless Chinglish.
Is it hopeless? No. After all, who wouldn't want to learn how to chat up the World Cup or the Olympics? (Although the Olympics lesson makes you go through 21 sections of basic stuff before it gets to three sections of Olympic and sports vocabulary.) But it's half-baked and it has a lot of issues to work out if Linese.com isn't going to vanish into the great graveyard of second-rate Web sites. My suggestions are to clean up the information design; provide an introduction that explains the different materials available and how to use them; clearly segregate lessons and tools by ability; iron out the technology bugs and use more flash and less Active X and Windows Media; and get a little professional English editing (I know who Jackie Chan is, but I'm not so sure about this Jackie Chen they refer to).
Meanwhile, if you're looking for Chinese instruction online you might want to try the popular Chinese Pod.com which uses podcasts to teach Chinese and has lessons for many levels along with supplementary materials. Zongwen.com is a useful site for learning about Chinese characters (and the hysterical Hanzismatter a good site for seeing how westerners abuse them). Chinese Tools.com also has some good stuff. Another site I often use is Adsotrans. This is good for people like me who have only basic Chinese literacy. Many translation engines choke on Chinese grammar. For those of us with reasonable grammar but poor vocabulary, Adso will take a hunk of Chinese text and annotate it with pinyin and translation that you can see by rolling over words and phrases. It's not perfect, but users can update and correct it wiki-style and it's pretty useful.
Meanwhile, if you really want to learn Chinese, I have two suggestions: 1) Hire a really good private tutor. 2) Move to China.
I spent many years designing and managing the development of Web sites and I was raised on a philosophy of simplicity and relative minimalism. In China this brands me as a dangerous heretic who should probably be locked up for his own safety. Nevertheless (showing my age), I remain firm in my conviction that the best Web sites are clean, easy to navigate, and don't overwhelm you with options or distractions. This is particularly true of sites that purport to be instructional or educational. That's one of many reasons I was disappointed with a new site dedicated to teaching Chinese that I explored this week.
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The site is Linese.com. Its launch was announced a few days ago and picked up and run in various news articles, including on CNET. Linese.com doesn't offend my eyes in the way that many Chinese portals do. It's not a complete overload of links and options and micro text. But it suffers from a variation on that problem: As a fresh arrival who presumably doesn't speak any Chinese, it's hard to figure out where you should go and what you should click on. There are a lot of options for lessons and information but nothing to suggest how someone interested in learning the Chinese language or simply exploring it should best approach or use the site. In the biz, we used to refer to this as poor information design.
I had a few other complaints as well. After the big announcement the site was largely broken for the first few times I tried to use it. The site was partially functional in IE but broke Firefox completely. I had to allow it to install a big whack of Active X components on my IE to get some of the lessons to work properly. Others used chunky Windows Media files that were slow to download. A lot of the content was completely inaccessible. As a PR guy, one of my basic lessons is: If it's not ready for prime time, don't announce it.
A lot of those early teething problems have been fixed and the site is working much better today, on both browsers. But that has given me the opportunity to discover a few other problems. Some of the media files still don't seem to work correctly. It's hard to know which lessons might be appropriate. Things that look like they should be links don't seem to lead anywhere. The materials seem to be a mix of very rudimentary stuff--which would be useful for beginners--and lessons that try to teach rudimentary stuff but also mysteriously assume you know much more complex phrases that are placed around the vocabulary they are teaching you. For a language site, there is also a pretty good amount of shameless Chinglish.
Is it hopeless? No. After all, who wouldn't want to learn how to chat up the World Cup or the Olympics? (Although the Olympics lesson makes you go through 21 sections of basic stuff before it gets to three sections of Olympic and sports vocabulary.) But it's half-baked and it has a lot of issues to work out if Linese.com isn't going to vanish into the great graveyard of second-rate Web sites. My suggestions are to clean up the information design; provide an introduction that explains the different materials available and how to use them; clearly segregate lessons and tools by ability; iron out the technology bugs and use more flash and less Active X and Windows Media; and get a little professional English editing (I know who Jackie Chan is, but I'm not so sure about this Jackie Chen they refer to).
Meanwhile, if you're looking for Chinese instruction online you might want to try the popular Chinese Pod.com which uses podcasts to teach Chinese and has lessons for many levels along with supplementary materials. Zongwen.com is a useful site for learning about Chinese characters (and the hysterical Hanzismatter a good site for seeing how westerners abuse them). Chinese Tools.com also has some good stuff. Another site I often use is Adsotrans. This is good for people like me who have only basic Chinese literacy. Many translation engines choke on Chinese grammar. For those of us with reasonable grammar but poor vocabulary, Adso will take a hunk of Chinese text and annotate it with pinyin and translation that you can see by rolling over words and phrases. It's not perfect, but users can update and correct it wiki-style and it's pretty useful.
Meanwhile, if you really want to learn Chinese, I have two suggestions: 1) Hire a really good private tutor. 2) Move to China.
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usagirl says...
I am also learning Chinese now.
Follow up your 2 suggestions, you can find a proper private tutor on www.hellomandarin.com/" rel="nofollow">Beijing Online School of Chinese Language www.hellomandarin.com
This is an Apollo Group company and a part of University of Phoenix Online.
Gary of University of
Phoenix kindly recommended me to www.hellomandarin.com" target="_blank">learn
Chinese course several months ago. www.hellomandarin.com" target="_blank">Beijing
Online School of Chinese Language is a language school of UOP and the
largest www.hellomandarin.com" target="_blank">Chinese school
in the world. This school can offer degree and non-degree www.hellomandarin.com/courses/course.html" target="_blank">Chinese
course in the world. I met a student from Cambridge
University of UK. www.hellomandarin.com" target="_blank">Beijing
Chinese School offers degree course service to Cambridge University.
I found I can use skype in an interesting and creative service 'www.hellomandarin.com/connectingchina" target="_blank">Voice
Connecting China'. There are about 3,000 www.hellomandarin.com/connectingchina" target="_blank">Chinese
volunteers waiting for me. They help me to practice Chinese after class and
give me a online immersion environment. These volunteers are not professional
teachers, but doctors, drivers, college students... Although I have not decided
time point to start my formal class, now I can use the practice service as a
free student.
When I call these volunteers through skype, the call can be received online or
forwarded to home phone and cell phone of volunteers in China. I heard China
Mobile offers 3G network service for www.hellomandarin.com/connectingchina" target="_blank">Voice
Connecting China, so I can find my favorite volunteers at any time through
VOIP in 3G network. I also heard China
Mobile will use www.hellomandarin.com/connectingchina" target="_blank">Voice
Connecting China for Beijing 2008 Olympics to offer www.hellomandarin.com" target="_blank">Chinese
language and www.hellomandarin.com/courses/course.html" target="_blank">culture
course to foreigners.
Jun 21, 2007 16:59
I am also learning Chinese now.
Follow up your 2 suggestions, you can find a proper private tutor on www.hellomandarin.com/" rel="nofollow">Beijing Online School of Chinese Language www.hellomandarin.com
This is an Apollo Group company and a part of University of Phoenix Online.
Gary of University of
Phoenix kindly recommended me to www.hellomandarin.com" target="_blank">learn
Chinese course several months ago. www.hellomandarin.com" target="_blank">Beijing
Online School of Chinese Language is a language school of UOP and the
largest www.hellomandarin.com" target="_blank">Chinese school
in the world. This school can offer degree and non-degree www.hellomandarin.com/courses/course.html" target="_blank">Chinese
course in the world. I met a student from Cambridge
University of UK. www.hellomandarin.com" target="_blank">Beijing
Chinese School offers degree course service to Cambridge University.
I found I can use skype in an interesting and creative service 'www.hellomandarin.com/connectingchina" target="_blank">Voice
Connecting China'. There are about 3,000 www.hellomandarin.com/connectingchina" target="_blank">Chinese
volunteers waiting for me. They help me to practice Chinese after class and
give me a online immersion environment. These volunteers are not professional
teachers, but doctors, drivers, college students... Although I have not decided
time point to start my formal class, now I can use the practice service as a
free student.
When I call these volunteers through skype, the call can be received online or
forwarded to home phone and cell phone of volunteers in China. I heard China
Mobile offers 3G network service for www.hellomandarin.com/connectingchina" target="_blank">Voice
Connecting China, so I can find my favorite volunteers at any time through
VOIP in 3G network. I also heard China
Mobile will use www.hellomandarin.com/connectingchina" target="_blank">Voice
Connecting China for Beijing 2008 Olympics to offer www.hellomandarin.com" target="_blank">Chinese
language and www.hellomandarin.com/courses/course.html" target="_blank">culture
course to foreigners.
Jun 21, 2007 16:59
learnmandarinonline says...
There are some free Chinese lessons designed by CCTV (China Central TV) on Learn Chinese www.learnmandarinonline.org and
some free podcast mp3 Chinese lessons designed by Shanghai East Radio Station on Learn Mandarin www.learnmandarinonline.org/learnmandarin.html. You can try.
Jul 22, 2007 13:10
There are some free Chinese lessons designed by CCTV (China Central TV) on Learn Chinese www.learnmandarinonline.org and
some free podcast mp3 Chinese lessons designed by Shanghai East Radio Station on Learn Mandarin www.learnmandarinonline.org/learnmandarin.html. You can try.
Jul 22, 2007 13:10
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