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by Nicholas Aaron Khoo, Singapore
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The most puzzling application on the iPod touch, the iPhone's sister
Nov 9, 2008 19:39I sold my iPhone 3G on the first day I bought it because it's a really lousy phone.
However, the user interface and brand new set of apps coming through the Apple Developer program got me interested enough to get an Apple iPod touch 2nd generation instead, which is really like the iPhone 3G without the phone functions (which I hated) and it's been really interesting so far!

So interesting, in fact, that it comes with maps and location-based services? It REALLY puzzled me that Apple would want to add a GPS module into this gadget, so I looked up the technical specs and, strangely enough, location-based services are listed but there's no GPRS or GPS found anywhere.
This was turning out to be really weird. So I fired up maps on the iPod touch and, after a while, they actually did tell me that my current location was East Coast, although around 800-1,000m off my actual location.
Now, how in the world did they manage to do that?
The only possibility I can think of is the Wi-Fi services. But that's impossible. Still, I checked around the Web and there are people saying that, yes, Apple has actually gone out of the way to do some kind of Wi-Fi triangulation to provide location-based services on the iPod touch.
That's sounds out of this world, really. I actually researched into Wi-Fi triangulation years back in the 802.11b days, but it's really more for indoors than outdoors use, if it even works. But this actually worked on my iPod touch on a maps application.
Eventually, I found the most logical answer. Location-based services on the iPod touch is "provided through a database of known IP numbers for known Internet service providers, which are often allocated geographically". Which basically means this takes the IP address of the Wi-Fi access point you are connected to, maps it against the database, and tries to determine your nearest location. Nice.
This is even more innovative than the multitouch and accelerometer that the iPod touch comes with, if you ask me. That's what iPhone has done for the rest of the world. Although it has one of the lousiest phones I've ever seen, Apple sure brought some of the world's best and most innovative apps developers to the mobile market.
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Actually, Apple has use both cell tower and third party databases for location services since the original iPhone. As you pointed out, the accuracy is still not very good, especially compared with the iPhone 3G.
AT&T service is very good in the mid atlantic region of the U.S. and we even have 3G service where I live which is very rural. In the city, we have wifi in most places and 3G everywhere so the iPhone does very well here.
I have written about the iPhone 3G and its GPS capabilities as well as many iPhone web and native apps on my blog at johnkendrickonline.com John
Nov 10, 2008 05:23
thanks John, guess not many people wrote about it. LBS is a service that's been around for a while on many phones as well but to use it in a maps app through Wi-Fi is just quite mind-blowing. I just searched your blog and couldn't find any entry on this location services on Wi-Fi as well.
Nov 10, 2008 08:29
Yes, I didn't write about the wifi and tower triangulation as it was widely reported here in the states. Here is a link to one of the many articles that reported about it after Jobs released it at Macworld in January.
www.usatoday.com...
Nov 10, 2008 18:30
ah... strangely the outdoor triangulation thingie was debunked based on some of the stuff I was reading. And I personally think it's almost impossible. But maybe only in this part of the world. It probably works better in the States where multiple WIFI access points are prevalent at any given spot and more data about an access point's location is provided.
Nov 10, 2008 22:04
You dude made the right choice to discarding your iPhone and buying an iPod touch... I figured that out from the very first time the 2G iPhone came out... I grabbed the iPod Touch but not the iPhone! The iPod Touch is revolutionary, while the iPhone is cute.
On the location-sensitive services, yes I validate they use your wifi connection's IP address. When I was in Malaysia recently using a wifi connection, the latest movies downloaded by my iPod were being shown in Malaysia, not in my own country (Philippines).
More interesting to me is the fact that you can pre-configure some applications to download info based on your location!
Nov 12, 2008 10:32
thx dude, the geeks always figure it out :p
Nov 20, 2008 22:18
About Nicholas Aaron Khoo
Nicknamed "Gadget Boy" by friends at age 18 because he used to scribble Grafitti on a PalmPilot faster than most would type, Nicholas Aaron Khoo is web developer turned technopreneur and Singapore tech blogger who also pretends to do strategic advisory for tech startups and 'un'Fortune 500s (when he's not pretending to be the gadget-loaded Batman). A digital nomad, his tech interests range from gadgets, games, tech trends, social media, security, and just about anything that runs on 1s and 0s. See his industry affiliations here.
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